Re: Did a wee bit of brogue slip through?

Posted by ann on August 03, 1998 at 09:09:52:

In Reply to: Re: Did a wee bit of brogue slip through? posted by Kathy S on August 02, 1998 at 22:01:14:

: : : : Being aware that DDL is Irish, and also hearing his Irish accent in "Name of the Father", I kept remarking to my husband, while viewing LOTM for the first time that the actor's american accent was remarkable. However, in two places, I thought a wee-bit of brogue could be heard. They were l) the line that Marcia said is one of her favorites when he replies to the English Officer that he's "beholding" to no one. 2) scene in the fort when he's asking the colonial militia members if they plan to leave the fort....they ask if he plans to go...he responds he has a reason to stay...colonial asks if the reason wears a green skirt & works in the clinic(whatever it was called)...to my ear when he replied " yes and she's a hell of a sight prettier than you so & so."

: : : : Did anyone else hear it??? Otherwise, his accent was perfect, although I wasn't aware the wonderful word "ain't" was used in the l700s. He used it while walking alongside the river on the way to the fort. I thought it sounded out of context....maybe it was common usage at that time. Any language experts in the group?....ann

: : : In the canoe, when he pleaded "faster", he sounded very Irish to me. On TNT, small clips were shown of Stowe and DDL. They gave their feelings about the characters they had portrayed in LOTM. To me, Daniel Day Lewis sounded oh so British as he talked of Hawkeye's courage. But he sure sounded Irish for the part of Conlon in "In the Name of the Father". I think his natural speech sounds more English than Irish, but that a wee bit of the old brogue slips in, here and there.

: : : Kathy S

: : Thanks for the info re Daniel's natural accent, Kathy. When were the clips of DDL & Madeleine on TNT?....thought that was the station showing LOTM, when I saw it about 3 wks ago, but don't remember those interviews. Do you recall any of Ms. Stowe's remarks? ....ann

: Hi Ann,
: The snippets I heard were shown prior to one of the TNT airings. But I noticed another airing, later the same day,was presented without these little quotes. I'm wondering if these are part of the THX version.

: Stowe said:
: "There is nothing I love more than when a character completely gives her heart over to another person, you know. And creates that kind of bond, and an inseparability. There are all these tragic things that happen, but the personal fortitude, and...um...her ability to love carries her through these kind of awful circumstances."

: DDL said:
: "Gee, I always find courage, whatever form it takes...whatEVER form it takes, I mean moral or physical, whatever. I always find courage is something that affects me almost more than anything else. Maybe I hope that by association with Hawkeye, I might borrow some of his courage."

: Michael Mann said:
: "The detail is to create a reality you can believe in, as audience, so that the movie can sweep you away. Accuracy, historical accuracy in and of itself is boring."

: There you are, Ann. I found the comments very interesting.

: Regard,
: Kathy S

Thanks Kathy, for the interesting comments. I find Mann's remarks fascinating but a little disppointing re "Historical accuracy in and of itself is boring." .....history buffs would never agree with that opinion.....amazing that he took the time & trouble to be such a stickler then when it came to detailed aspects of the fort, costume, languages. To me, all the historical integrity displayed in the film make it so unique. Anyone can change history to suit their dramatic impact needs, but it takes a truly talented person to use the facts of antiquity and give them the aura they deserve........according to my lights anyway......ann

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• Mann's Comments on Historical Accuracy Marcia 10:59:55 8/03/98 (4)
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    • Re: Mann's Comments on Historical Accuracy Marcia 15:03:41 8/03/98 (2)
      • Re: Mann's Comments on Historical Accuracy ann 18:50:07 8/03/98 (0)
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: : : : : Being aware that DDL is Irish, and also hearing his Irish accent in "Name of the Father", I kept remarking to my husband, while viewing LOTM for the first time that the actor's american accent was remarkable.  However, in two places, I thought a wee-bit of brogue could be heard. They were l) the line that Marcia said is one of her favorites when he replies to the English Officer that he's "beholding" to no one. 2) scene in the fort when he's asking the colonial militia members if they plan to leave the fort....they ask if he plans to go...he responds he has a reason to stay...colonial asks if the reason wears a green skirt & works in the clinic(whatever it was called)...to my ear when he replied " yes and she's a hell of a sight prettier than you so & so."

: : : : : Did anyone else hear it??? Otherwise, his accent was perfect, although I wasn't aware the wonderful word "ain't" was used in the l700s. He used it while walking alongside the river on the way to the fort. I thought it sounded out of context....maybe it was common usage at that time. Any language experts in the group?....ann

: : : : In the canoe, when he pleaded "faster", he sounded very Irish to me. On TNT, small clips were shown of Stowe and DDL. They gave their feelings about the characters they had portrayed in LOTM. To me, Daniel Day Lewis sounded oh so British as he talked of Hawkeye's courage. But he sure sounded Irish for the part of Conlon in "In the Name of the Father". I think his natural speech sounds more English than Irish, but that a wee bit of the old brogue slips in, here and there.

: : : : Kathy S

: : : Thanks for the info re Daniel's natural accent, Kathy.  When were the clips of DDL & Madeleine on TNT?....thought that was the station showing LOTM, when I saw it about 3 wks ago, but don't remember those interviews. Do you recall any of Ms. Stowe's remarks? ....ann

: : Hi Ann,
: : The snippets I heard were shown prior to one of the TNT airings. But I noticed another airing, later the same day,was presented without these little quotes. I'm wondering if these are part of the THX version.

: : Stowe said:
: : "There is nothing I love more than when a character completely gives her heart over to another person, you know. And creates that kind of bond, and an inseparability. There are all these tragic things that happen, but the personal fortitude, and...um...her ability to love carries her through these kind of awful circumstances."

: : DDL said: 
: : "Gee, I always find courage, whatever form it takes...whatEVER form it takes, I mean moral or physical, whatever. I always find courage is something that affects me almost more than anything else. Maybe I hope that by association with Hawkeye, I might borrow some of his courage."

: : Michael Mann said:
: : "The detail is to create a reality you can believe in, as audience, so that the movie can sweep you away. Accuracy, historical accuracy in and of itself is boring."

: : There you are, Ann. I found the comments very interesting.

: : Regard,
: : Kathy S

: Thanks Kathy, for the interesting comments.  I find Mann's remarks fascinating but a little disppointing re "Historical accuracy in and of itself is boring." .....history buffs would never agree with that opinion.....amazing that he took the time & trouble to be such a stickler then when it came to detailed aspects of the fort, costume, languages. To me, all the historical integrity displayed in the film make it so unique. Anyone can change history to suit their dramatic impact needs, but it takes a truly talented person to use the facts of antiquity and give them the aura they deserve........according to my lights anyway......ann


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