Posted by Petra on August 09, 1998 at 12:10:57:
In Reply to: Re: Suicide equals weakness? posted by Kathy S on August 09, 1998 at 02:49:47:
: : Kathy and Elaine,
: : as for the general characterization of suicide, I agree with you, Elaine. People who commit suicide are usually not the fighter type. But I can also see what you are saying, Kathy, especially about people's motives being complicated, at least in real life.
: : You are trying to explain possible reasons, and that's all true. Maybe there is more to human weekness than just being a character flaw. Weekness can also mean that someone is more sensitive, more emotionally touched by the same events that may not get to another person in the same way. Sensibility would hardly be regarded as a character flaw. Some people just go through life being more open and touchable than others, and often it is this sensibility that allows these people to produce outstanding art, music or literature.
: : I once heard a psychologist who councels people with addictions describe human weekness like that. I didn't agree with him then, but now I can see his point. Although I find it easier to relate to stronger and maybe less sensitive personalities.
: : Petra
: Petra, what you just said shows an understanding of sensitive personalities. We don't have to agree with them. And that goes for anyone we cannot understand. Perhaps, just admit we have not walked in their moccasins.
: An accomplishment that requires little effort for one person, may be something that requires all of another's strengths. Does that make them weak. It make the one who APPEARS weaker to actually be the stronger.
: Kathy S
I don't think I agree with your last sentence. I think a person who overcomes weakness (yes, I used to know how to spell it, duh! Can't believe I misspelled it 3 times last night, guess I'll try to blame it on the late night time) may be more admireable for these efforts than someone in whose nature it was in the first place not to act that way. And such a person will make a better subject of drama and literature than those who didn't have to struggle. But weakness stays weakness and doesn't translate into strength this way.
I think of it this way: Take physical strength and weakness for comparison. A small child needs to be saved from a burning house, a pool, a river, or something like that. An adult jumps or runs in and carries the child out. Great. Now, if another child instead, just a little bit older, goes and saves the younger one by going to the very limit of his or her physical ability and even somewhat beyond it, struggling, fighting, just giving everything, and then succeeds, how would that compare? It would be absolutely outstanding, admireable, more deserving of recognition because of the physical limitations that were overcome. But, in the end the adult was still physically stronger by comparison.
All I'm trying to say is, our admiration for those who struggle and eventually overcome their weak points is well deserved, but it doesn't change those weak points into strong points, this would be a paradox.
I don't know , does this sound confusing? I'll better go and eat something.
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