Re: "..Can't We Just Be Friends?" Even the Pagans? Of Brooms and Closets

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Posted by Bill R on August 21, 2000 at 21:35:28:

In Reply to: Re: posted by VitaWitch on August 21, 2000 at 21:08:14:

: : : : : : : : : ring ring ring ring!
: : : : : : : : : RING RING RING!
: : : : : Dear Bill,

: : : : : No, no, do not skirt the issue. Really. Hey, I am what many would call a Pagan (or a Lady Dervishe, or what have you) myself. Not atheist, mind you, but Pagan and several other terms. The difference is that atheists do not believe in God, Pagans (and Sufist, or Mevlana followers,or Alewites, meaning those who come under many different terms/descriptions/classifications while still adhering to the One Supreme God belief) do, and Pagans are wronged many times over when they are classified under Satan worshippers.
: : : : : I am not here to discuss Paganism, right now, I just threw that in as a metaphor. Though while we are on the subject of God, or Allah, or Dio or Yahweh, I would love to argue that God is : : : : : OK, Bill, LOTM'ers care, right?
: : : : : Roll up your sleeves, dust off your already-spic span polished keyboard, and join the debate!!!
: : : : : Vita

: : : : Well! It seems I have mis-assumed, and you have mis-assumed.
: : : : I never would have guessed that you were pagan, and your guess about my squeeky clean keyboard is totally wrong. This board is older than I am. It has enough dirt on it for a good sized garden to flourish.

: : : : Debate? Okay. One thought. What is truth? Is truth not that which never changes because it IS truth? And if that is so, then man's religions, though meant to provide us enlightenment, must have little to do with actual truth - as religion evolves (changes) and therefore cannot BE truth itself? Only an attempt to understand truth?

: : : : Bill R

: : : Dear Bill,

: : : Remember Pax Paper Paragraph, which containst:
: : : "Can't We Just Be Friends..."
: : : and the full paragraph is:
: : : " ... Unity, from what I gather, is the ticket. That's the contemporary ideal, the cat's meow. But how? When? At what cost? We all quickly say we're all for unity, for no one really wants to say they're in favor of disunity but this unity remains undefined, meaningless and unchallenged. It's like saying, 'I'm against breast cancer' ... no one is actually for breast cancer but it feels good to buy anti-breast cancer stamps and declare we're against it. It doesn't mean all that much really. What is it we really aim to achieve? It seems to me, in my stubborn way of seeing things, that what we're really thinking is this; I want to be your friend and feel good about this friendship so, please don't bring up things we might disagree upon because though I like to call myself enlightened and open minded, the truth is, I won't forgive you for holding a differing opinion which will lead to my not really liking you, and of course, I might find myself to be less open minded than I care to admit. Can't we just be friends? Is this the real unity we want? Isn't this what we really mean when we speak of being tolerant? I'd much rather have my viewpoints challenged, probed, and tested than neatly, kindly tolerated without examination. "

: : : Hmmm... more to debate!
: : : Hey, re. Pagan... hmmm I am also a Wicca witch. OK, just kidding. I studied it, interesting, just the way I studied Rosicrucians and their rituals.
: : : I am too many things to be One Thing, alone.
: : : But there is GOD.
: : : Come, Bill... I still owe you 2 books...! See, am forgetful, too. Blame it on too many shocks to my system.
: : : Meanwhile, let's delve into the above paragraph!

: : : Vita ...:-)

: :
: : Jeez Vita! Nothing like Coming Out! Please don't trip over your broom on the way out of the closet!!

: : Bill R

: Dear Bill,
: Am trying, but already tripped and fell flat on my crooked Wicked Witch of the North nose.
: I guess that's because I am a Fake Witch.
: Sigh. I do pray daily, though: Please Dear God, make me a real mean nasty witch.
: I wonder why He doesn't listen to me?

: Miss Goody Two Shoes

Probably because Doc Mary already has that role filled, and the only wicked witch role left would involve a house falling on you, and God thinks too highly of you for that!

Bill R

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