Posted by Vita on August 29, 2000 at 11:37:32:
In Reply to: Re: Magua's Villainy posted by MMMMarcia on August 29, 2000 at 11:05:13:
: Jeri writes:
: : Not a peep out of them. With regard to Magua, I know that he's the ultimate bad guy of the film, but I sometimes wonder if, given everything the Mohawks and the English did to him and his family, that he wasn't justified in how he feels. Even Hawkeye at the River Walk asked Duncan if there was an insult or blood vengence done to the 'Huron Captain', explaining why he tried to kill Cora. The Native people took such things very seriously and I'd say being taken captive and having your children killed would twist the best of us. The first couple of times I watched the movie, I thought Magua was the WORST. Now, however, after ?? times watching it and having learned so much from this board, I have a bit better understanding for what went on and what made him the man he was. Just some thoughts....
: And good ones, Jeri. We have discussed Magua's merits before, and there are at least a few who support him as a true hero (hey, that's what they SAID!). I, for one, still see him as a villain through and through, albeit a villain with a REASON (excuse?) for his villainy. Yes, he was done badly by, but that doesn't make him any the less wicked & deadly. His heart was twisted. Perhaps by what happened to him...perhaps right from the get-go. Don't forget that the Sachem says that Magua's path was NEVER a Huron one, or words to that effect, leaving me to think he had always had an "agenda," even before the loss of his family. No doubt, the events that destroyed his children & cost him his wife made him feel justified in his hatred of the Gray Hair, but to me, it just gave him the excuse he wanted to go on a murdering rampage. I think he would have found that excuse, even if things had gone differently for his family.
: Any thoughts? Anyone?
Feeling any better???
Re. Magua... yea, I too believe that being the tough guy - to put it mildly - he is... he'd have done the de-hearting and de-throating anyway... that is just the warrior he was. Yes, the natives took events such as the murder of their children seriously, just like any of us will. And I understand him tracking Cora's dad. Of course, I'd have done it too. Hey, you kill my child and ..... OK, let's not get into what I'd to you if I but get the opportunity. However, I'd stop by killing you, and not your child as well, unless your child was an active participant in the murder of my child. Simply put I do not believe in taking revenge from those who did not do the dirty deed.
Be that as it may, Magua would have done what he did, meaning attempting to kill Cora and Alice, anyway. His killing of Uncas, however, to be fair, was not murder, it was self defense. Uncas attacked him and Magua, of course, would not stop and shake his hand and pat his cheek, would he now?
The sachem, on the other hand, who ordered the live roasting of a female in order to appease Magua's wish for revenge, was no kinder and gentler soul either. He may have been a wiser ruler, but that is because at his age, he no longer was a warrior, meaning we really do not know how he behaved when he was young and slinging his tomahawk on the battle fields.
Getting back to Magua... yes because he was who he was, he not only de-hearted a live human being, he endeavored the slaughter his offspring in any means available to him ... this behavior was in tune with how he would have behaved towards any other adversary.
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