Posted by Kate on November 17, 2000 at 17:07:27:
In Reply to: Re: AlGore I Am posted by Bill R on November 17, 2000 at 14:36:16:
: : : I couldn`t agree with you all more. I sent this out because it was funny. There has been a ton of funny political stuff coming in over the past week. But the truth of the matter is exactly as Bill stated earlier. Although I am a registered Democrat, I have always voted for the person most likely to up hold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We should ALL go back and read all the letters and writtings of those that wrote these two documents, so they we can understand their true "intent" when they drafted them. You may be surprised because they knew EXACTLY what they were saying when they wrote it down. Those two documents make us different then any other country in the world. They make us BETTER, then any other country in the world. If we let one person change just one thing in either of those documents, then they will be open to change them all. And nobody wants that. We all love our freedom of speech. We all enjoy our right to worship how we will. And they are all protected by our right to keep and bear arms. As my friends, I don`t care if you voted for the right person. I just hope you voted for the right reasons.
: : : Clabert
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: : Ooooh, now, Clabert! I GOTTA dispute one of your thoughts here - 'they make us BETTER, then any other country in the world'. Not quite what *I* would have said!!
: : Now - HERE'S your solution, FV. We could dump your 'election' debate - and go with THIS one!! I'm sure THIS one could get just as exciting (and *heated*) if we really TRY! :o)
: : Kate.
: Oh, I think we have HAD this discussion once or twice! I think what he meant was not that we are BETTER than other people in other countries, just that in his opinion our RIGHTS are better protected than in most other countries. Even that may be a stretch, but I warrant those countries with a Constitution by which they ABIDE are better off than those without one or led by rulers who disregard or abrogate their Constitution. And I have a firm, firm belief that our 2nd Ammendment is vital to the continued existence intact of OUR Constitition. Take the argument that the 2nd Ammendment only protects our right to arm "militia" i.e. the National Guard and not the people - that argument leads to the conclusion that only military units have the right to be armed - military units who must obey the ORDERS of the politicians above them in their chain of command - and therefore HAVE been sent to quell demonstrations on occasion.
: Can you imagine the excesses some politicians would go to if they knew ONLY the military was armed? And don't say "our" politicians would not. The darling of the democrats - FDR - ordered Japanese Americans to be "encamped" and dispossessed at Army gunpoint - and used the Army to quell demonstrations. If this most liberal of Presidents can do it, any of them can and will. Given the knowlege that the citizens are completely unarmed and therefore unable to respond to oppression, excesses WILL happen sooner or later. And we won't even TALK about what happens if the criminals know all their victims are unarmed......
: Bill R
Well, to be honest, Bill, I wasn't the least bit upset or offended at Clabert's remark. I knew he didn't mean it the way it sounded - I was just being a devil.
To be honest, I don't really think that Britain not having a written constitution as such, has been much of a problem to 'the man in the street', overall. (However, I believe that a written Constitution is 'in the works'). When it comes to the important issues of the day, we, the ordinary citizens, have a big say in the decision making process.
As to the question of 'the right to bear arms' - well, I'm all for gun control but that's a whole new 'debate', which I know we've discussed and that things were said and no one was spared. I was also made 'personna non grata' for quite a LONG time, by someone who was upset that I couldn't agree with their views. So - I'm afraid I'm NOT going down THAT road again!! :(
The way I see THIS question of 'who's country is the best' is this; if you are lucky enough to live in a country where you are allowed, indeed ENCOURAGED to vote for your representatives at all government levels, and you have the freedom to speak out and say that quite frankly you feel ALL the candidates SUCK, then - wherever you live, it's a pretty damn good country!!
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