Re: Question for Reinactors

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Posted by Seamus on January 23, 2001 at 09:07:56:

In Reply to: Re: Question for Reinactors posted by NightSky on January 23, 2001 at 06:38:16:

: : : : NightSky:

: : : : If you are making the shirt with leather, I recommend using either a chain stitch (2 needles, two sinews "locking" each stitch) or a whip stitch, both of which make finer, tighter seams on leather. If I want a really strong seam on fine leather I sometimes use a small blanket stitch, which is really just a whip stitch with each stitch "locked" by the next stitch. The blanket edge also adds a nice decorative effect. For a fabric shirt running stitch is fine, and both French seams and flat-feld seams are perfectly appropriate. If you are sewing by hand and using a running stitch, be sure to back stitch all the seams that are likely to take extra tension, like underarms.
: : : : Happy sewing!

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: : : Thanks, Lady Ann. I'm using osnaburg for the shirt, so French seams were a must as far as I'm concerned. I know Dana likes raveling, but it makes me crazy!

: : : Do you know of any tricks to get a glovers needle to slide more easily through leather? I have some beautiful, fine buckskin I was going to make some possibles bags out of. The stitch info will help tremendously, thanks again. NightSky

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: : NightSky,

: : You can use glovers needles or regular needles for that matter on buckskin without fear. It is very easy to penetrate, and will sew several thicknesses easily. If you are concerned, though, try it on some scrap and punch it if you have to do so. Buckskin is not reall a good leather for hunting bags, though, because it has no body and all the "goodies" will center in the bottom and pull it out of shape. Deerskin is very stretchy...One really should use a stiffer hide.

: : I do have a very old Indian made, quilled hunting bag of deerskin. It is quite interesting in its construction. The body is 3 layers thick, the strap hangers are 5 layers thick, and it is all stitched with sinew....and gorgeous. The strap is braided cord and has powderhorn loops woven into it. Ottawa, I believe.

: : I had a friend, Chuck Edwards, from Missouri, make me a bag patterned, but not copied from it, and he used the same construction methods. It stiffened it up fine. You must reinforce deerskin to make it work right for a hunting bag.

: : I am not too much help on shirts, except to say that if you follow Beth Gilgun's advice in her book, you cannot go wrong. I have shirts with both kinds of seams, and the place they need most attention is across the shoulders because that is where the wear is. Under the arms is not a problem because they are not tight enough to be stress points.

: : Hope this helps.

: : Pax Aye!

: : Seamus

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: Seamus: I probably called it the wrong thing. The bag I'm going to make will be small, about the size of a Plains Indian medicine bag. The buckskin I'm going to be working with will definately not take punishment, and would (as you say) easily stretch out of shape. I don't want to multiple layer it, as I intend to bead the bag after it's assembled.

: Do you have any recommendations of where to buy cow hides? We have a guy up the road about 10 miles who sells cow skulls (no kidding), but the hides seem to either go to the large processors or get thrown away. We're beginning to feel like the Anchient Mariner of cow hides - cows, cows, everywhere, but not a hide to wear.

: Another thought. We did toughen a deer hide using a "tea" made of black walnut shells that had been boiled down to a strange brew. BT actully did it because we didn't like the color of the hide. It's now much darker, with interesting color variations, and much stronger. We've used it for several things, but had to use an awl (sp?) to punch it. NS

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Good morning, NightSky,

The bag you wish to make will work well with a single deerskin. I know what you mean now...a "possibles", aka hunting bag is not what you meant.

The deer hide you toughened...how was it tanned, commercially or braintanned? It should loosen up again as it is worked. Deer hide is very elastic and should not stay hard like cowhide does. (BTW, "awl" was spelled right!) Walnut juice does make interesting patterns, eh?

A source of good cow hides? I used to buy mine at Ft. Frederick, or Niagara, or Johnson Hall, or at the Eastern Rendezvous when I can see them in person. Now I buy from a local Amish harnessmaker. If you go to a muzzleloading Rendezvous there are hides all over the place to buy. I don't know where you are located to advise you on a place to look for them. Be careful that they do not have a finish on them, such as commercial leather might have if it is scrap from a factory that makes handbags, shoes, etc.

There is a tannery here in PA that you can get them from also, but it is best if you can actually see what you are buying...

Pax aye!

Seamus


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