Posted by Bill R on October 08, 1999 at 12:24:16:
In Reply to: Re: explaining... posted by Victoria on October 08, 1999 at 10:53:50:
Hi back V,
Hi back V,
I understand what you are saying, but I would ask in response that someone name me even ONE country (or tribe for that matter) that has NOT at some time oppressed or displaced people in their history. Not even the native american nations can lay claim to such a feat. They displaced, and were displaced - or oppressed or were oppressed before the Europeans every arrived here.
Taking your statement to its logical conclusion, then NO country should EVER expect ANY respect or patriotism from it's citizens.
And no citizen should ever respect or take pride in his or her nation.
Taking this logic at it's face value, then the Seneca and Mohawk and Oneida peoples should take no pride in their culture or nation because at one time in their history they had subjugated and enslaved other native americans. But they are native americans so are held up in veneration and encouraged to take pride in their history and identify and take pride in their nation by the politically correct non-native americans. The same politically correct non-native americans slam their own culture because at one time their culture had conquered, enslaved and displaced another people. Hmmm. What amazes me is that the politically correct don't see the contradiction. Nor do they see that their position is just another form of prejudice with only a change in the color of the faces or the name of the country.
I say, take pride in your heritage, but denigrate none other's heritage. THAT is what tolerance and working together is all about.
I imagine that once the goal of humanity seeing itself as one big family is reached, and they are proud of their achievements as one big family.......somebody will land on earth with the genetic background of a grasshopper and inform us that we are being misanthropic. And another ship will land disgorging occupants with the genetic code of frogs crying "who gives a rat's a-s, kill them, conquer them" because this planet is greener than theirs.
: Hey Y'all,
: I too feel some cognitive dissonance when I see patriotic ceremonies that seem to miss the point and pretend that there might not be some group of people that have been either left out of the picture or who might have suffered at the hands of those who chose not to examine the effects of their patriotism. Don't forget Europeans have had recent experience with patriotism that had been taken too far, as have America's First Nations and other people of color. That we (Mercans)can question what's on the 'other side' may also be why Petra is here.
: Hit weren't never about the Old Crone ner Pat anyways.
: See ya,
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