Posted by Joe Hinson on February 28, 2000 at 15:11:19:
In Reply to: Re: One BIG Can o'Worms posted by NightSky on February 28, 2000 at 09:40:37:
: : : : My, My, My, Didn't this stir up something..Brent, you said "But why make a "period" film about a historical event if you don't care about history!??? I guess I'll never understand." You have answered your own question.. I stated that I didn't like TRL because of the self important artsy nature of it and it's blatant historical inaccuracies.. then you and Nightsky expound on it's great artistic value..That is why they are made that way.. Your next quote was, "These are two good examples of films where they got it right. And thats what made them so enjoyable for me." TRL didn't get it right..it was art, not historically correct, not true to life. SPR you next say you hated.."I didn't find anything realistic about the movie", but this film was more true to life..My Father was at Normandy. I took him to the first screening .. and he told Me later that he didn't sleep for four days afterwards, that it was the most realistic movie he had ever seen about his time there..this wasn't an art film.. it was more true to life.. as for the dialogue.. people in real life write their own.. Most didn't quote ancient greek, it doesn't always win Academy Awards..but I suppose that it isn't supposed to..Hanks was very believable.. which is what I thought was called for.. an ordinary man who became a man who led other men into death, dying a little bit inside every day, trying to keep his values, but having to go against them with every order. The others, who's names seem to drop from everyones tongues like raindrops, were mostly little known actors at the time and were quite convincing as young men thrust into hell..This is My opinion.. I liked Apocolypse Now but thought it wasn't realistic , but several Vietnam vets have told me that it was just as they remembered it, everyone has an opinion.. I'll take the opinion of the people who were standing there
: : : : Now.... The first posts were directed toward historical accuracy, but you see how it all has changed to "Artistic interpretation", this is why filmmaker's change history..because people want to see it..
: : : : "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.." (Newspaper editor,in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance")
: : : : Gets down off his soapbox and cleans his musket for this weekend's encampment.
: : : : Joe Hinson
: : : : sorry Elaine didn't mean to write a book..
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: : : Dear Joe: Sorry to hit such a nerve. For me, the type of film we're talking about here will always be a work of art, and will be interpreted differently by everyone that sees it. If they're not works of art, they become documentarys, where acurracy, detail, and factual depictions are the standard. If they were going to make LOTM factually accurate, then I'm sure the cast would have been smelling to high heaven and covered with fleas and most likely body lice. And I don't remember the scene where old Hawk pulls out the Oral-B and Colgate, but he has a great looking smile just the same. And we're not even going to get into what brand of shampoo he would have to use to keep those locks looking so great. As works of art, they are meant to provide a basic framework for our imaginations. I think what were discussing is each films success at stimulating our individual imaginations and giving us an experience that is truely, at most, a small window into a world that must be lived to be understood. My biggest fascination with this discussion has been the HUGE differences of opinion on a board that is basically very homogenous. We're not exactly a cross section of American culture here, so it's interesting to see how differently we all view these films. Just a little brain exercise that hopefully doesn't blow a fuse. YRH
: : Dear Night Sky, Sorry if I gave the impression that a nerve had been hit or that I was blowing fuses..Far from it..I thought I was trying to steer the conversation back to the original topic..which was historical accuracy/filmmaker's use of it..it is easy to misunderstand inflections of speech in typewritten posts. I imagine that is what has happened here since the conversation ended with these last two posts to mine..
: : Well all I had a great weekend living it up in the Va woods, I'm nasty and smokey but I skipped the fleas and lice. I have a gun, one that shot so well I could kiss it, to clean, and I guess I should jump in the shower..Y'all have a great day now ya'hear..
: : Oh and Marcia.. I'd hug ya now but you would probably shove me out the backdoor and hose me down.. *smiling quite broadly*
: : Joe Hinson
: : Just back from the Colony of Va. with all of his hair and lots of dead leaves in his bedroll.
: Joe: As a resident of the Colony of Va, I was interested to know where you were this weekend? We're down in the deep SW, where coal is king, and the livestock have shorter legs on one side from walking around the mountains in the same direction all their lives. YRH
It was near the small village of Roanoke, at Explore Park.. about thirty woodsmen and such gathered for the weekend to share ideas, hallos and jugs. My New Va. smoothrifle shot very well, and I didn't fall into the firepit so it was a good weekend all around..and I know all about those mountain dwelling breeds I lived in West(By God)Va. for some time..
Joe(not so high smellin')Hinson
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