Posted by davey gunn on March 12, 2000 at 16:45:25:
In Reply to: Re: Underwear? Underwhere? posted by Druncle Mark on March 12, 2000 at 14:47:33:
: :Well, Doc M....everything we have read, etc., research (which takes in
: lots and lots of well known researchers of 18th century) has shown that underwear did not become the
: vogue until mid 1800s right before the Civil War.....the term underwear was known, but in 18th century it
: meant a man's long shirt and in women the chemise or shift....Davey Gunn, my true brother (we have the
: same mother) was correct in stating that the long shirt was long because it served as a covering for the front
: and back of men. Scotsmen would carry a bodkin or pin which when taking off the kilt they could pin the
: front and back of their shirt together so it wouldn't fly up.....this long shirt was called underwear and no self
: respecting man would ever be caught without a waistcoat (small clothes) or his "underwear" (longshirt)
: would show.....there are always fads and at times there may have been some short pants type things worn
: under the breeches (but I doubt it), but NEVER under the kilt. To this day, the Highlanders in the British
: army pride themselves in being "regimental" or "true" under their kilts. As for DDL in LOTM, if he is
: wearing a breech clout, there is NO way that anything can be worn under a clout..I know, I've worn one for
: years at Rendezvous, hunting, and reenactments.
: As for your reference, History of Underclothes, I also hate to be difficult, but I would question this reference, except, as I said, in certain fads that may have cropped up. Nothing I have ever read has mentioned underwear during this time period..
: I've seen a lot of vintage clothing displays, none ever showing little boxer type drawers of linen or silk....and a pants type garment with a stirrup....think about it....that would show down the leg underneath the hose that was worn with knee breeches. No way could a garment with stirrups have been worn with knee breeches....Maybe this is Chinese under clothing or something.
: .. Pax Aye!!
: Dr. Mark H.
For the Good of the Discussion........
One more comment........i am sure there were different fashions for "nobility" as opposed to the "common lad".......i'm speaking for myself here, but i have been refering to the everyday commoner all along, as that is what we are. There is evidence throughout history of "exceptions to the rule".......we are not portraying the exception. I am a "true" Scot when wearing the "plade" (plaid) of the Blackwatch Regiment or the Clan Gunn of Caithness.............
"e'm doon wi' da soobject"
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