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Kay
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 Posted - April 06 2009 : 1:39:48 PM
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I was watching Masterpiece Theater last night on PBS and stayed up afterwards to watch a half hour promo for a new series airing on PBS beginning next Monday (after Easter). The five part series is part of American Experience and is titled We Shall Remain. It is five different stories in the history of America and American Indians-a fresh new look that they are recommending all of us Americans- red, white, or otherwise to watch because it will teach us something more and perhaps more truthful about our history as Americans. And guess who is in it?! Our beloved Wes Studi! I'm really going to try to watch this series and I know all of you in Mohicanland would enjoy it too!
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Fitzhugh Williams
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 Posted - April 06 2009 : 2:39:33 PM
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| I have seen it myself, and had heard from some of the Iroquois and northern Indians, and they are not too happy with it. |
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Kay
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Posted - April 06 2009 : 6:33:53 PM
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MMM... I am sorry to hear that. Do you know why they are displeased with the film?
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Fitzhugh Williams
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Posted - April 07 2009 : 12:20:46 AM
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Some comments from another board.
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My wife and I made some of the props for the production but we limited our involvement to known objects and images. For the Massasoit character we went from the Niantic chief Ningret image. It is later period but it typified for me the use of shell wampum we see in the earlier time periods. The wampum diadem, and the shell necklace. In fact we did both for them - I see however that they used a neck knife sheath (horribly done) to cover up the cool lightning whelk and real wampum necklace we did. Arrrggghhh!!!!
I wish I didn't make them anything. Silk purses and sows.........
Shoulda coulda. Too many baggy leggings, to many badly painted tattoos, copper 'moon' gorgets with rocker engraving? Hunh? Where do we see those objects in the archeological record for 1675? Marker painted leggings in 19th c designs? loom woven sashes? ARE THEY FOR REAL?
I am sputtering with horror. I wish someone would just hire some people who are not merely self appointed experts but actual material culture people to do these things.
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For the 17th C stuff they had a few "cultural consultants".....from local area tribes....I do agree with you some of the material culture stuff you see is crappy, (and doesnt look like it improves later on in the series...Just look at the hokiness in the episode for Tecumseh's Rebellion)...
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But I got a glimpse of your pain watching Tecumseh and his crew with them 1850's Enfields.... AAAAAAAARRRGGNNNNNNNNN!!!! Surely, any number of reenactors would have gladly LOANED them a period-correct piece for a work of that magnitude.
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Great to see Wes Studi finally getting to be a Cherokee tho' and I suspect that segment will be the best segment of all. A pure joy too to hear native Cherokee thrown around, tho I understood not a word.....
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Kay
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Posted - April 07 2009 : 09:44:01 AM
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Yes, yes, very understandable. It is very difficult for living historians and people who study and immerse themselves in the material culture or who ARE the culture to see the knowledge we offer cast aside and to see film makers and many others disregard important details that convey the past and it's people for who knows what or why. I too have gotten turned off from many a documentary, film, and musuem for that very reason!
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - April 08 2009 : 12:58:45 PM
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Well, we all know that the film industry will just never quite get it right, especially when it comes to authenticity in costuming.
I still think I will try to watch it, mostly because I am curious about it. |
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Posted - April 14 2009 : 7:27:26 PM
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| Has anybody watched episode 1? It is some good stuff and very well put together! |
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Has anybody watched episode 1? It is some good stuff and very well put together!
I was able to catch the last half an hour of it. Wish I could have seen more. But all in all, not bad. Some pretty good info to hopefully help educate to general public on some hidden issues the Indians did face and some of the horrible things that were done to them that just got swept under the rug. I wasn't too impressed with some of the native actors they had. But hey, can't please everyone! But looking forward to catching the next episode. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - April 15 2009 : 08:46:30 AM
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Drat! I had company on Sunday evening and after they left, I was so tired I forgot all about it.
Shoot.... |
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Posted - April 16 2009 : 10:43:15 AM
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| WW, doesn't PBS usually replay things during the week? Check your local listings, I guess. |
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Posted - April 16 2009 : 1:01:12 PM
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| Some stations do. I will check mine, but I've probably missed the repeat, as well. |
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winglo
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Posted - April 29 2009 : 1:49:07 PM
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The episode starring West Studi as Major Ridge of the Cherokee Nation aired on Monday night. I tivo'ed it and have now watched it. Wow! What an actor he is. Major Ridge was a non-English speaking Cherokee, so all of Wes's lines are in Cherokee (I guess, although it may be some other American Indian language) with subtitles. Didn't he speak like 4 different languages in LOTM?
He's an amazing actor and the episode is horribly sad. I have to say that I never knew a whole lot about Andrew Jackson, as president, but I certainly have no respect for him now.
Did anyone else see it? |
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Obediah
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Posted - April 29 2009 : 4:01:36 PM
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West Studi? Does that mean he has three brothers, East, North, and South?   
IIRC, Wes Studi is Cherokee, so his lines must have come easily, language-wise if not emotion-wise.
BTW, I've never been a big fan of Andy ByGod Jackson. |
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Posted - May 03 2009 : 7:35:09 PM
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West Studi? Does that mean he has three brothers, East, North, and South?
Whoops, typo!
Yes, I knew Wes was Cherokee. I don't know if he grew up speaking Cherokee, though, or if he has learned it as an adult.
Anyway, it was a great episode. Can't wait for tonight's--which I'll watch later this week.
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Posted - May 12 2009 : 3:59:38 PM
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| Russell Means was on last night's episode! Boy, he certainly is not in the kind of shape he was when he made LOTM. But, it has been quite awhile. |
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Kay
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 Posted - May 15 2009 : 3:19:40 PM
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Since I have to share the tv with other people in the house I watched the series online. Finally finished part 5 but I missed part of 4 because the video wouldn't load right. Arrgh . What I did see I thought was pretty good. Yes, there were good and bad things about the show but I have to admit that I learned a lot I didn't know before and it was very good to see Russell Means this week. I did a double take when he first came on and to see him in the vintage film of the protest-wow!
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Posted - May 15 2009 : 8:30:08 PM
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| Yes, Kay, I agree. . .good and bad. Overall, the whole thing made me real sad. As they said in the show, ". . .it was ethnic cleansing." |
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