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winglo
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 Posted - May 08 2009 : 5:26:17 PM
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| I am an evangelical Christian who has never liked politics and religion mixing. Jesus spent no time focusing on Roman politics--he touched people's hearts. It is not our place to bring a new kingdom to the earth. God will do that in his time. I am not sure what my immediate feelings are upon reading this, but I think the Republican party has pretty much been destroyed from within by those who have become one-issue voters. . .i.e. Dobson, etc. The reality is, if religion can determine politics and policies in this country, then what would happen if a hindu or muslim or atheist became president? Would we all have to start abiding by and praying as they do (or don't)? I don't want politics having any say about my beliefs. So, maybe it's best to let the "Day of Prayer" be picked up by religious organizations, not the president. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - May 08 2009 : 6:38:24 PM
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I don't want politics having any say about my beliefs.
Nor do I, Winglo. However, politics and religion must mix under certain circumstances. Our beliefs must have a say in politics. I give you the abortion issue, for example. And the euthanasia/assisted suicide issue, for another. We, as Christians, must be involved. The teachings of Jesus dictate it. |
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winglo
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Posted - May 10 2009 : 9:30:55 PM
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Sorry, WW, I have to disagree. There are lots of people on both sides of the abortion issue of all sorts of religious persuasions. You don't have to be a "Christian" to believe that life begins at conception. Nor do you have to be a "Non-christian" to believe that money is better spent on abortion than paying for social programs that end up raising an unwanted child, when one is born.
The reason you should be involved in politics regarding abortion and euthanasia should have more to do with biological science and understanding what is "life" than religion. I don't remember Jesus speaking directly to either of these issues in the Bible. And I really don't like it when Christians try to use Jesus as the reason for their political beliefs when speaking to those who are not Christians. Those with both liberal and conservative beliefs would be much better off, in our society that separates church and state, in going to court or confronting the legislature with biological facts than with a lot of "Jesus-talk." I mean, really, how influential is information about what Jesus and the Bible say going to be to someone who is an atheist or a Jew or a Hindu anyway? In addition, it makes it seem like everyone who is a "Christian" thinks and believes the same things politically. And personally, I don't want anyone predetermining in their mind what I believe and how I lean politically because I am a Christian. |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - May 11 2009 : 09:04:16 AM
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Sorry, WW, I have to disagree.
No problem! 
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There are lots of people on both sides of the abortion issue of all sorts of religious persuasions. You don't have to be a "Christian" to believe that life begins at conception.
Very true. I agree.
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The reason you should be involved in politics regarding abortion and euthanasia should have more to do with biological science and understanding what is "life" than religion. I don't remember Jesus speaking directly to either of these issues in the Bible.
I would think that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" would apply. Yes, it is Old Testament, and the law came from God the Father, but I would submit to you that Jesus is God. (I don't wish to get into a whole theological discussion on that statement.)
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And I really don't like it when Christians try to use Jesus as the reason for their political beliefs when speaking to those who are not Christians.
I don't either. And I don't do that. Except here. 
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Those with both liberal and conservative beliefs would be much better off, in our society that separates church and state, in going to court or confronting the legislature with biological facts than with a lot of "Jesus-talk."
Again... I agree completely. I am not advocating doing that. I am simply saying that we, as Christian Believers, must be pro-active in politics because of our religious beliefs. Use our religion as a catalyst... not as an argument.
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And personally, I don't want anyone predetermining in their mind what I believe and how I lean politically because I am a Christian.
Again, neither do I.
So, you see??? We don't disagree so very much, after all!
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winglo
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Posted - May 12 2009 : 4:04:30 PM
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| Very well said, WW. One caveat: I don't know about you personally, but many people who like to use "Thou shalt not kill" regarding abortion are the same people who seem to throw that statement out when it comes to capital punishment. It seems inconsistent to me. Any thoughts on that? |
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Wilderness Woman
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Posted - May 12 2009 : 6:45:05 PM
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Thoughts and opinions, yes. However, I really don't care to get into that discussion at this time.
Sorry.
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