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Debate over who Sotomayor is a sensitive one
05/29/2009 4:25:58 AM
By SHARON THEIMER Associated Press Writer
There are two sides to Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor: a Latina from a blue-collar family and a wealthy member of America's power elite.
The White House portrays Sotomayor as a living image of the American dream, though its telling of the rags-to-riches story emphasizes the rags, a more politically appealing narrative, and plays down the riches.
Branding a complex person in a simplistic way can backfire in the highly charged environment surrounding her coming Senate hearing.
Discussions about Sotomayor and her ethnicity, gender and tax bracket carry risks for supporters and detractors. Inartful criticism by Republicans risks offending voters they'd like to win. Democrats, likewise, need to be cautious about how they conduct the debate in a nation uncomfortable talking about matters of race and gender.
On ethnicity, Sotomayor herself has recognized _ and contributed to _ the dichotomy. She proudly highlights her Puerto Rican roots but hasn't always liked it when others have. She once took issue with a prospective employer who singled her out as a Latina with questions she viewed as offensive yet has shown a keen ethnic consciousness herself.
In a California speech in 2002 now under renewed scrutiny, she remarked that, on a court, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
In that same speech, "A Latina Judge's Voice," Sotomayor drew attention to cultural differences between Mexican-Americans and Puerto Rican-Americans, and she narrowed her ethnicity beyond American, Hispanic and Puerto Rican to "Newyorkrican."
"For those of you on the West Coast who do not know what that term means: I am a born and bred New Yorker of Puerto Rican-born parents who came to the states during World War II," she explained.
Yet years ago, during a recruiting dinner in law school at Yale, Sotomayor objected when a law firm partner asked whether she would have been admitted to the school if she weren't Puerto Rican, and whether law firms did a disservice by hiring minority students the firms know are unqualified and will ultimately be fired.
Afterward, Sotomayor confronted the partner about the questions, rejected his insistence that he meant no harm and turned down his invitation for further job interviews. She filed a discrimination complaint against the firm with the university, which could have barred the firm from recruiting on campus. She won a formal apology from the firm.
In speeches, Sotomayor has harkened back to her and her brother's beginnings in a poor Bronx neighborhood, roots that President Barack Obama highlighted in introducing her this week.
"Born in the South Bronx, she was raised in a housing project," Obama said. "And even as she has accomplished so much in her life, she has never forgotten where she began, never lost touch with the community that supported her."
Yet Sotomayor did not live her entire childhood in a housing project in the South Bronx _ she spent most of her teenage years in a middle-class neighborhood, attending private school and winning scholarships to Princeton and then Yale.
And Sotomayor's life and lifestyle after law school largely resemble the background of many lawyers who rise to powerful positions in Washington.
She climbed her way up through New York's Democratic power structure boosted by its ultimate brokers over those years _ Gov. Mario Cuomo, Mayor Ed Koch, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. That's the access of a partner in a corporate law firm, not a kid from the South Bronx.
She now earns more than $200,000 a year and owns a condominium in Greenwich Village, a neighborhood of million-dollar-plus homes. Her brother, Dr. Juan Sotomayor, is a physician in North Syracuse, N.Y., whose practice doesn't accept Medicaid or Medicare _ programs for the poor and elderly _ according to its Web site.
Her ethnic consciousness was apparent in the earliest days of her career, in the New York City prosecutor's office.
"What I am finding, both statistically and emotionally, is that the worst victims of crimes are not general society _ i.e., white folks _ but minorities themselves," she told The New York Times in 1983. "The violence, the sorrow are perpetrated by minorities on minorities."
The "riches" part of Sotomayor's rags-to-riches story began when she left her low-paying job in that prosecutor's office and joined the Pavia & Harcourt law firm. Her clients included Fendi, maker of luxury purses that she was unlikely to have seen as a child in the Bronx.
Still, she kept her hand in the Puerto Rican community _ possibly to the point of a conflict of interest.
She served simultaneously on New York's campaign finance board and the board of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, an advocacy group that took legal action in 1991 to fight what it considered discriminatory redistricting. Sotomayor didn't recuse herself from a finance board discussion of the redistricting battle, despite the involvement of her own advocacy group.
Also during this time, Sotomayor served on the state board that makes mortgages available to low- and middle-income New Yorkers. She missed nearly a third of the board's meetings during three of those years but apparently still left a mark. Cuomo said Sotomayor's respect for the law, her "life story" and her integrity were deciding factors in his decision to name her to the agency.
And when she left in 1992, the agency's board adopted a resolution praising her for defending "the rights and needs of the disadvantaged to attain, maintain, and secure affordable housing appropriate to their need." It went on: "Ms. Sotomayor also served as the conscience of the Board concerning the negative effects of gentrification which can harm communities and create hopelessness and homelessness if individuals and families are displaced."
Republicans are scrutinizing her full record and background, but carefully. The White House warned as much earlier this week.
"It is probably important for anybody involved in this debate to be exceedingly careful with the way in which they've decided to describe different aspects of this impending confirmation," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.
With Hispanics a growing voting bloc, and ethnic sensitivities high, few are willing to be as blunt as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who said of her comment that a Latina woman would rule more wisely than a white man: "New racism is no better than old racism."
-Associated Press writers Cal Woodward in Washington, Sara Kugler in New York and Jessica M. Pasko in Albany, N.Y., contributed to this report.
Sarge's Assesment: The more I hear about this nominee, the more I am not at all suprised of her appointment by President Obama. Instead of me leading-in with my traditional overview, let's just go straight to the quotes:
Quote #1: On ethnicity, Sotomayor herself has recognized _ and contributed to _ the dichotomy. She proudly highlights her Puerto Rican roots but hasn't always liked it when others have.
Sarge's Note: First-off Sonia, 'Puerto Rican' describes someone from, or living within, that locale, and not their race (and "Yes", a 'white' person can be a Puerto Rican too). Those of Hispanic descent (that's European blended with Native American and/or African lineage, and who also share the Spanish language and culture) who describe their ethnicity as 'Puerto Rican' are either ignorant and/or lying to themselves/others; and in Judge Sotomayor's case, I feel that it is the later. And as for her not "...always liked it when others have.", all I can say is, "Well Sweetie, when you open a 'door' remember that traffic flows both ways."
Quote #2: In a California speech in 2002 now under renewed scrutiny, she remarked that, on a court, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
Sarge's Note: Yep, nothing like good old-fashioned Bigotry from a prospective Supreme Court nominee. Although I am scratching my head as to what "...richness of her experiences..." (in.re. a 'Latina Woman') that would have more meaning than a white male's 'richness of his experiences'.
I think that retired Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said it the best during her confirmation hearings (and I paraphrase, since I cannot remember the exact quote), "That when a wise old woman and a wise old man look at something from a legal point of view, both should honestly reach the same conclusion." Justice O'Connor certainly did not rely on some form of gender/ethnic 'crutch' to bolster her qualifications.
Quote #3 "For those of you on the West Coast who do not know what that term means: I am a born and bred New Yorker of Puerto Rican-born parents who came to the states during World War II," she explained.
Sarge's Note: Not exactly the 'immigrant' story (although the mental-midgets at the Daily Kos describe her as a 'First-Generation American'), which she is trying to allude to here, since the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico has been a U.S. Territory since 1898. It would be like saying that you 'emigrated' from Ohio!
Quote #4: "Born in the South Bronx, she was raised in a housing project," Obama said. "And even as she has accomplished so much in her life, she has never forgotten where she began, never lost touch with the community that supported her."
Sarge's Note: Not all is as it seems, please see the next quote.
Quote #5: Yet Sotomayor did not live her entire childhood in a housing project in the South Bronx _ she spent most of her teenage years in a middle-class neighborhood, attending private school and winning scholarships to Princeton and then Yale.
Sarge's Note: Not exactly the 'Dreams of My Father', but then again that wasn't exactly 'his' either (more likely the dreams of William Ayer's father, but that's another story).
Quote #6: She climbed her way up through New York's Democratic power structure boosted by its ultimate brokers over those years _ Gov. Mario Cuomo, Mayor Ed Koch, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. That's the access of a partner in a corporate law firm, not a kid from the South Bronx.
Sarge's Note: Patronage, power-broking and group-politics had more to do with her rise than any form of judicial brilliance. As this quote mentions, "...That's the access of a partner in a corporate law firm, not a kid from the South Bronx."
Quote #7: Her brother, Dr. Juan Sotomayor, is a physician in North Syracuse, N.Y., whose practice doesn't accept Medicaid or Medicare _ programs for the poor and elderly _ according to its Web site.
Sarge's Note: Hmmmm, I guess he is also 'giving back to the community' as well, albeit in his own special way. I wonder how Dr. Sotomayor's office policies on federal health programs will fit into President Obama's heathcare 'reforms'...
Quote #8: "What I am finding, both statistically and emotionally, is that the worst victims of crimes are not general society _ i.e., white folks _ but minorities themselves," she told The New York Times in 1983. "The violence, the sorrow are perpetrated by minorities on minorities."
Sarge's Note: Wow! A combination of bigotry and brilliance, and all in the same statement. I guess that 'oil and water' can mix! Look Sonia, any victim of a violent crime falls into the 'worst' catagory, regardless of demographics (although you probably were not taught that by your fellow La Raza members). Her second statement is partially true, that being most actors and victims of violent crime are usually of the same race/ethnicity; but that is a factor due to location more than anything else.
Quote #9: Still, she kept her hand in the Puerto Rican community _ possibly to the point of a conflict of interest.
Sarge's Note: A Democrat appointee with a possible conflict of interest? Say it isn't so! Please read on...
Quote #10: She served simultaneously on New York's campaign finance board and the board of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, an advocacy group that took legal action in 1991 to fight what it considered discriminatory redistricting. Sotomayor didn't recuse herself from a finance board discussion of the redistricting battle, despite the involvement of her own advocacy group.
Sarge's Note: Can somebody tell me where the New York Bar Association was while this was going on? At the very least she should have been censured, or more appropriately disbarred. Oopps, I forgot, when you are a Democrat, niggling details like 'integrity', 'honesty' and 'character' do not apply.
Quote #11: Republicans are scrutinizing her full record and background, but carefully. The White House warned as much earlier this week.
Sarge's Note: The Republicans should scrutinize her full record and background, because God knows that the Democrats do not 'police their own ranks'. As for the White House 'warning', I have one thing to ask President Obama, "Where was all of this caution during Justice Alito's confirmation hearings? I don't recall hearing any voiced support or words of 'discretion' from the then-junior senator from Illinios. Take my advice 'Barry', keep your 'warnings' to yourself."
Quote #12: With Hispanics a growing voting bloc, and ethnic sensitivities high, few are willing to be as blunt as former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who said of her comment that a Latina woman would rule more wisely than a white man: "New racism is no better than old racism."
Sarge's Note: I do not suffer from such 'ethnic sensitivities' either, since it was the Hispanic 'voting block' which opened the 'door' of race; and remember what I said about that before, traffic flows both ways. To cry for some form of 'protection' is to admit a form of inferiority; and like it or not, anyone seeking such 'victim status' runs against the original intent of the Civil Rights Movement. And such a person does not belong on, or practicing in front of, the nation's highest court.
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Posted - May 29 2009 : 12:55:47 PM
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| A completely stomach turning nominee. The very essence of bigotry, - and frankly nothing more than a reflection of BO himself. |
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I cannot believe that this is happening within our borders under our great Constitution. What a mess we are in. The scary part, is that about half of our populace cannot see it - or don't want to.
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Wow.
I have to admit that my mind has been much too occupied elsewhere this week to really pay any attention to the announcement. I saw it briefly on the news and thought to myself, "Oh boy. Here we go. Another pro-abortion nominee, and it's back to square one on that issue if she gets her foot in the door." Most of you already know my opinions on that.
This article is extremely informative and quite upsetting. I'm with all three of you guys. A brilliant woman, but outrageous in so many ways. |
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To make this very clear; very simple ... imagine, if you will, this was said by a white male:
"I would hope that a wise Caucasian man with the richness of his experiences would more often than not reach better conclusions than a Latina woman who hasn't lived that life."
Ya think he'd be up for the Supreme Court?? Bigotry, my friends. It's bad no matter who says it. |
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Posted - May 31 2009 : 4:54:06 PM
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| As "we" all know Rich, "who can say (or do)what", - is what political correctness is ALL about. Bigotry is either overlooked, or even worse, - "just fine" - coming from the "right folks". The VERY last thing it does is promote unity, just the opposite in fact. It creates certain "classes" of people, to whom rules don't apply. And this from the "can't we all get along" rainbow crowd. This country is becoming more divided by the year. |
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Who said Sonia Sotomayor wasn't "white". What if she doesn't have so much as a drop of blood that came from an African slave. She is not a mulatto, "in the image of Obama".
Her last name, Sotomayor, is on the registry of the Holy Office of the Inqusition as that of a Sephardic Jew. Not to be confused with an Ashkenazi Jews of Europe, Sephardic Jews of Spain were forced to convert to Catholisicm after the Edict of Expulsion in 1492. The "conversos" were still persecuted in Spain and most fled to the new Spanish colonies or other parts of the world. Sephardic Jews were responsible for establishing business, trade, and the banking systems in these new colonies.
Don't let the cloak of "raised as a Catholic" fool you. My grandfather was a Sephardic from South America, baptised Catholic. They only married other Sephardics. The Jews keep their blood lines.
As far as Sotomayor's academic achievement is concerned, she was given a full academic scholarship to Princeton. Affirmative Action no doubt played a part in that, but she graduated summa cum laude. A distinction given to less than 1% of college graduates. But academic achievement has long been the hallmark of the Children of Israel. The Jews of Europe were excluded from normal society and therefore invented an alternative status system which accorded the best Talmudic scholars the highest honors and prestige. Her brother is medical doctor. No easy task becoming an M.D.
Hank Hill: So, are you Chinese or Japanese?
Kahn: I lived in Arizona for the past 20 years. I'm originally from Laos. [pause]
Hank Hill: So, are you Chinese or Japanese?
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Posted - June 01 2009 : 10:11:53 AM
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| Castle, - I have no interest in her religion. Her "views" on things, as she herself has spoken, show a strong bigotry. I have NO doubt she'll be confirmed, and will "legislate from the bench" whenever possible. The Untied States Supreme Court was not put in place to legislate!! That's why we have a Congress - her "views" should disqualify her, - frankly, it would most other nominees. BO knows she'll legislate from the bench, - no doubt one of the reasons she was chosen. |
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Monemins Castle said: Who said Sonia Sotomayor wasn't "white".
Actually it was Sonia Sotomayor who said that, when she described herself as 'Hispanic', 'Latina', 'Puerto Rican', etc.
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Monadnock Guide added: I have no interest in her religion. Her "views" on things, as she herself has spoken, show a strong bigotry. (Sarge's Italics)
Personally she is a Bigot, but it is some of her judicial rulings that make her a Racist. And "Yes", there is a difference; for to be a Racist you must have some form of recognized power to wield against a group, and do so in a manner which would deny them their civil rights. She does have such power, and she has used it in such a manner, in.re. Ricci v. DeStefano (The "New Haven Firefighters Case", for those unaware of the actual docket title)
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Monadnock Guide followed with: BO knows she'll legislate from the bench, - no doubt one of the reasons she was chosen.
All Democrat-appointed federal judges of recent memory have been 'judical activists', who think that is their place to 'legislate from the bench'.
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Wilderness Woman noted: Here we go. Another pro-abortion nominee, and it's back to square one on that issue if she gets her foot in the door
Given how poor a choice Justice Souter was (a RINO nominated by a 'Blue-Blood, Country-Club' Republican), the nomination of Sotomayor thankfully will not change the calculus of the court. This is not to say that we should make it easy for the Democrats to push this Cultural-Marxist through, without thorough examination.
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richfed said: I cannot believe that this is happening within our borders under our great Constitution.
Well Sachem, given the fact that about 52% of the voters either 'Drank the Kool Aid' and/or were otherwise looking for more handouts from the public purse, this shouldn't suprise either of us.
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Her Jewish lineage IS her ethnicity, not her religion, as she is Catholic. But it sounded like you wanted her to be in the mold of Osama, a mulatto. No sir she is not. All the other designations are moot. Latina, Neuvayorker, Hispanic, etc.
Is Clarance Thomas a racist? He's opposed to affirmative action because it hurts blacks. But that's excactly how Thomas got his job. It certainly wasn't his intellectual capacity.
At least Sotomayor is a true intellectual. And the Court isn't going to be swinging left any time soon.
AND there is no such thing as a hispanic. The census department invented that after the Spanish American War when they had to start counting former subjects of the Spanish Empire. You're either white, mestizo, mulatto, or jew. That's how the Office of the Holy Inquisition did it for 350 years. |
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Monemins Castle said: Her Jewish lineage IS her ethnicity...
No it isn't. And you cannot base that on just her last name.
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Monemeins Castle added: But it sounded like you wanted her to be in the mold of Osama, a mulatto(Sarge's Italics). No sir she is not.
If she is truly a 'Hispanic', then she is of African and/or Native American heritage, and/or European bloodline (any combination of two of the three would qualify), as well as sharing the Spanish language and culture of her ancestors and/or former colonial masters. Otherwise she is not 'Hispanic', but is a white European; and only a DNA test could make that claim with any chance of correctness.
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Monemins Castle then said: Is Clarance Thomas a racist? He's opposed to affirmative action because it hurts blacks.
First off, "No", Justice Thomas is not a Racist. Secondly, if you ever read any of his decisions (and writtings from his time as head of the EEOC), you would find that his opposition to affirmative action is because it hurts us all. Like most of us, Justice Thomas believed that affirmative action had its time and place of needed application, but that has long-since passed.
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Monemeins Castle followed with: At least Sotomayor is a true intellectual.
Considering that 60% of her judical decisions were reversed upon appeal (and take it from someone who works in that 'business', those are not good numbers), I certainly would not honor her with the title of intellectual or a judicial scholar; she may have been at one time, but not since entering the legal profession.
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Monemins Castle then added: AND there is no such thing as a hispanic. The census department invented that after the Spanish American War when they had to start counting former subjects of the Spanish Empire. You're either white, mestizo, mulatto, or jew. That's how the Office of the Holy Inquisition did it for 350 years.
Castle, in this country the census department rulings have precedence over the 'Office of the Holy Inquistor'.
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If she is truly a 'Hispanic', then she is of African and/or Native American heritage, and/or European bloodline (any combination of two of the three would qualify), as well as sharing the Spanish language and culture of her ancestors and/or former colonial masters. Otherwise she is not 'Hispanic', but is a white European; and only a DNA test could make that claim with any chance of correctness.
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Monemins Castle then added: AND there is no such thing as a hispanic. The census department invented that after the Spanish American War when they had to start counting former subjects of the Spanish Empire. You're either white, mestizo, mulatto, or jew. That's how the Office of the Holy Inquisition did it for 350 years.
Castle, in this country the census department rulings have precedence over the 'Office of the Holy Inquistor'.
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U.S. Census Bureau
QuickFacts Hispanic Origin
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2000 Census of Population,
Public Law 94-171 Redistricting Data File.
Definition:
Hispanics or Latinos are those people who classified themselves in one of the specific Spanish, Hispanic, or Latino categories listed on the Census 2000 questionnaire -"Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano," "Puerto Rican", or "Cuban" -as well as those who indicate that they are "other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino." Persons who indicated that they are "other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino" include those whose origins are from Spain, the Spanish-speaking countries of Central or South America, the Dominican Republic or people identifying themselves generally as Spanish, Spanish-American, Hispanic, Hispano, Latino, and so on.
Origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person's parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States.
People who identify their origin as Spanish, Hispanic, or Latino may be of any race. Thus, the percent Hispanic should not be added to percentages for racial categories. Tallies that show race categories for Hispanics and nonHispanics separately are available.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_RHI725200.htm.
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| Can hardly wait until Ginsberg retires. |
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Monemins Castle posted from the U.S. Census site: People who identify their origin as Spanish, Hispanic, or Latino may be of any race.
Look Castle, I see what the the census folks are saying from their 2000 report, and this changes every couple of decades to fit whatever is trendy. Be hey, don't believe me, why don't you just try to call any person claiming to be 'Hispanic' a 'White Person' and see what happens next. Any person I have delt with, who claim 'Hispanic' ethnicity, have never thought of themselves as anything more than part 'White European' (even though their racial background obviously includes physical features which belie their claim) and the fact that their language/culture are of Spanish origin (the last time I looked at a map, Spain is in Europe).
But, putting this talk of race/ethnicity all aside (since it is turning into a 'red herring', and therefore deflecting from my main subject of debate), my whole point is the fact that Judge Sotomayor is obviously unqualified to hold any judicial post primariarly because she has continually demonstrated a complete lack of impartial judgement. Add to this, her personal bigotry against those of White European ancestry which has, and will again, manifest itself into racisim through the wielding of judicial authority.
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Monadnock Guide said: Can hardly wait until Ginsberg retires.
I agree with your sentiments MG, but given who is currently occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I can wait until at least 2012.
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I think that MG meant that comment to be taken as Heavily Sarcastic, Sarge. But... you probably already knew that. 
[WW goes off, musing to herself about what Ms. Sotomayor's reaction would be if she knew that someone was putting forth the opinion that she, a self-proclaimed Puerto Rican Latina, is a Jew by race. It could be a most interesting reaction!]
[WW covers her head, waiting for the bombardment.]
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Wilderness Woman asked: I think this topic should probably be in the Lion's Den, don't you guys?
WW, I agree that the whole 'Jew-Latina-Hispanic and Black, Brown or White' issue does belong in 'The Den', but the original commentary/debate of the original press story is quite appropriate here.
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Be hey, don't believe me, why don't you just try to call any person claiming to be 'Hispanic' a 'White Person' and see what happens next. Any person I have delt with, who claim 'Hispanic' ethnicity, have never thought of themselves as anything more than part 'White European' (even though their racial background obviously includes physical features which belie their claim) and the fact that their language/culture are of Spanish origin (the last time I looked at a map, Spain is in Europe).
I'm a latino. Maybe I should ask my mother. Should I throw one of your racial epithets her way? |
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Monemins Castle said: I'm a latino.
That's nice (not that I really care about your racial heritage, since I judge a person on the content of one's character, but I am being polite), and what does that have to do with the subject of this thread?
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Monemins Castle then added: Should I throw one of your racial epithets her way?
And which of my 'racial epithets' are you speaking of? By the way Castle, I can't figure out which card you are trying to play right now, so please help me out. Is it the 'Race Card' (or 'Ethnicity Card', depending if you are claiming yourself today as a race or ethnic group), the 'Victim Card', or both?
If you truly want a debate on race, ethnicity, or whatever, then why don't you start a thread in the Lion's Den? However, if you want to continue the discussion of the subject on this thread, then please do try to stay on-topic.
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P.S.- Don't you ever try to hang the 'White Guilt' mantle on me, because I am not buying it. As I said before here, none of my ancestors ever owned a slave of any race; and also that I was born in 1967, so therefore I have never lived in, or reaped the so-called 'benefits' of a segregated society, so therefore I have no 'debt' to pay. And if you try that old and tired cop-out, "Well you being white makes you guilty of the original sin", then you Sir would be painting a whole race with a broad brush, and that would make You the bigot. |
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***THREAD UPDATE***
Sotomayor backers cite 1994 speech
By Ted Barrett and Dana Bash - CNN
updated 9:53 p.m. EDT, Wed June 3, 2009
WASHINGTON (CNN) Supporters of Supreme Court nominee Judge Sonia Sotomayor Wednesday circulated a speech she made in 1994 that includes similar remarks to her 2001 "wise Latina" comments, which have drawn fire from conservatives as racially insensitive.
In highlighting the earlier speech, Democrats are making the point that her GOP critics never complained before about the sentiment that judges with different backgrounds can reach different conclusions from the bench.
While her earlier speech did not include the racial and ethnic references that appeared in her 2001 speech, it did include references to gender and the idea that a female judge would reach a "better" conclusion than a male because of her life experience.
The March 17, 1994, speech to the Conference on Law Reviews was submitted to the Senate in 1997 when Sotomayor was nominated -- and ultimately confirmed with Republican support -- to be on the U.S. Court of Appeals. In it, she discussed the role of gender and referenced a quote attributed to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor that "a wise old man and a wise old woman reach the same conclusion."
"I would hope that a wise woman with the richness of her experience would, more often than not, reach a better conclusion," she said in the 1994 speech. "What is better? I....hope that better will mean a more compassionate and caring conclusion."
In the 2001 speech, she said, "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
A senior GOP aide responded Wednesday that the Democratic effort on the 1994 speech contradicts the White House claim now that Sotomayor simply had a "poor choice of words" in the 2001 speech.
Sarge's Assesment: What I find puzzling about this report, is that even the blaitantly partisan CNN network has noted the inconsistencies between the White House official 'excuse', and the historical record... Maybe there is hope for these people yet. The fact that the only thing people in the Sotomayor 'camp' can point to, as proof of her 'impartiality', is a speech made in 1994, from her confirmation hearing in 1997 to the post of Federal Appeals Court Judge, and that does not say a great deal as to her qualifications. Let us take a look at some excerpts from this article:
Quote #1: "In highlighting the earlier speech, Democrats are making the point that her GOP critics never complained before about the sentiment that judges with different backgrounds can reach different conclusions from the bench."
Sarge's Note: This was in 1997, after the GOP sweep of 1994, and therefore is one of many examples of the Republican's bipartisanship while controlling both houses of congress. Compare that to the "We won, you lost" attitude (and exact words) of the post-2008 Election Democrats in Congress and the White House!
It just goes to show which is the party of gentlemen and ladies, and which is the party of rogues and poltroons...
Quote #2: "While her earlier speech did not include the racial and ethnic references that appeared in her 2001 speech, it did include references to gender and the idea that a female judge would reach a 'better' conclusion than a male because of her life experience."
Sarge's Note: So now we know that Judge Sotomayor is not only a Bigot and Racist, but a Chauvinist as well. (I haven't looked for any Chauvinst taints to her judical decisions/opinions yet, so it remains unknown if she is a Sexist too)
Quote #3: "A senior GOP aide responded Wednesday that the Democratic effort on the 1994 speech contradicts the White House claim now that Sotomayor simply had a "poor choice of words" in the 2001 speech."
Sarge's Note: Gee, the Obama White House making a contradictory statement? Say it isn't so!
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Posted - June 30 2009 : 10:53:42 AM
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**Thread Update**
Discrimination case raises questions for Sotomayor
06/30/2009 3:18:30 AM
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS Associated Press Writer
Foes of Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor celebrated the high court's reversal of her decision in a reverse discrimination case.
The 5-4 ruling Monday, backing of reverse discrimination claims by white firefighters, is unlikely to derail Sotomayor's nomination _ and it may not even sway a vote. Reaction to the decision fell almost purely along partisan lines, with Republicans cheering the decision and saying it raises serious concerns about the judge, and Democrats condemning the opinion and arguing that Sotomayor had acted appropriately.
Still, the Supreme Court's decision in the case of Ricci v. DeStefano highlighted the competing ideological strains that will shape the debate over confirming Sotomayor.
Conservatives who cheered the reversal as a blow in favor of evenhanded application of anti-discrimination laws said it deepened their questions about the judge's ability to keep her personal opinions and background out of her decisions.
"This case will only raise more questions in the minds of the American people concerning Judge Sotomayor's commitment to treat each individual fairly and not as a member of a group," said Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Liberals who denounced the ruling as potentially damaging to workplace diversity efforts countered that the decision should in fact end questions about whether Sotomayor is an "activist judge."
Sotomayor and her panel "did what judges are supposed to do, they followed precedent," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., the Judiciary Committee's chairman. He called the overturned appeals court decision an example of "judicial restraint."
Sotomayor's supporters noted that the appeals court decision followed well-established legal precedents _ something conservatives routinely say judges should do. They also pointed out that she did not actually write the appeals court decision but was rather one member of a three-judge panel that rejected the white firefighters' claim of discrimination.
At issue in the case was a decision by New Haven, Conn., to throw out a promotion exam for firefighters because virtually no minorities scored well enough to qualify. The Supreme Court ruled that the city's fear of a racial discrimination lawsuit by minority firefighters wasn't by itself enough to allow it to discriminate against the white candidates who did well enough to get promotions.
But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, joined in her dissent by Justice David Souter _ whom Sotomayor would replace if confirmed _ said civil rights laws were never meant to prevent employers from trying to avoid discriminating against minorities. They said no firefighters were entitled to a promotion, nor were minority firefighters given preferential treatment.
Conservatives pounced on the decision to amplify their case against Sotomayor. They have criticized her harshly for saying she hoped a "wise Latina" would usually reach better conclusions than a white male without similar experiences.
"It's just one more data point that she thinks it's OK to make decisions as a judge based on your own personal preferences, gender, race, background, political agenda _ instead of being a servant of the law," said Wendy Long of the Judicial Confirmation Network.
Critics also faulted Sotomayor for dispensing of the case in a short, pro forma opinion that did not discuss the merits or the precedents of the case _ a move they argued was calculated to bury the decision and dodge the controversial issues it raised.
Sotomayor's allies said the panel ruling, known as a "per curiam" opinion, was typical of cases where there were clear precedents to guide the court.
Democrats seemed unconcerned about the potential fallout from the case.
The White House said there was "little political significance" to what the court decided.
Sarge's Assesment: Well, what do we have here? Yet another case, where Judge Sotomayor was involved in an appellate decision which was later overturned. Yep, I can really see the advantages of this 'wise' Latina woman's "richness of her experiences". Oh well, let us now examine some pieces of this story:
Quote #1: "Foes of Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor celebrated the high court's reversal of her decision in a reverse discrimination case."
Sarge's Notes: First off, this is not a case of "reverse discrimination", since that is a misnomer. This was a case of discrimination, pure and simple; but don't try to tell your local Leftie that, the logic might cause their eyes to bleed!
Quote #2: "Conservatives who cheered the reversal as a blow in favor of evenhanded application of anti-discrimination laws said it deepened their questions about the judge's ability to keep her personal opinions and background out of her decisions."
Sarge's Notes: The Supreme Court's decision was an evenhanded application of discrimination laws, since any form of discrimination is wrong. The firefighters who passed the test, actually cared enough about their career development to invest their own time and money in preparation to compete for advancement. I too have taken many promotional exams in my life (both military and police), and I can tell you that they only score candidates on their professional communication and technical skills (since a supervisor of soldiers, police and even firefighters must not only lead their people, but train them as well), and therefore cannot possibly be 'racially skewed' (since every line member should be competent enough to do their job, right?). It has been 45 years since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and over 35 years since the first offical application of Affirmative Action policy; it's time to 'sink or swim' people!
And "Yes", this does demonstrate Judge Sotomayor's inability to keep her personal prejudices and bigotry, from becoming professional racisim.
Quote #3: "Liberals who denounced the ruling as potentially damaging to workplace diversity efforts countered that the decision should in fact end questions about whether Sotomayor is an 'activist judge'."
Sarge's Notes: Of course "Liberals" (and for the record, they are not Liberals, they are Cultural Marxists, since no true Liberal could ever defend discrimination of any kind) denounce this ruling, since it shines the light of truth on the lies which form the foundation of their belief system. And also, this does in fact "end questions about whether Sotomayor is an 'activist judge'", since it clearly demonstrates that she is.
Quote #4: "But Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, joined in her dissent by Justice David Souter _ whom Sotomayor would replace if confirmed _ said civil rights laws were never meant to prevent employers from trying to avoid discriminating against minorities. They said no firefighters were entitled to a promotion, nor were minority firefighters given preferential treatment."
Sarge's Notes: And this is why I am not exactly sad to see that RINO-POS Justice Souter depart the court. And somebody should explain to Justice Ginsburg that the firefighters were entitled to the promotions, which they had earned (obviously a concept foreign to a Femi-Nazi hack like 'Judge Ruth', who spent her whole professional life dependent on political favoritism/appointments, and group-politics for her advancement... No compentency, or competitive testing needed for her!)
Quote #5: "Critics also faulted Sotomayor for dispensing of the case in a short, pro forma opinion that did not discuss the merits or the precedents of the case _ a move they argued was calculated to bury the decision and dodge the controversial issues it raised."
Sarge's Notes: And this is the main issue with her, to wit: she uses her professional position to promulgate her personal bigotry, and that is the very essence of racisim. She is no better than the cop who is bigoted toward black people, who in-turn shoots an unarmed black suspect in the back during a foot pursuit, while acting in his capacity as a police officer, for no other reason than the actors race.
Quote #6: "Sotomayor's allies said the panel ruling, known as a "per curiam" opinion, was typical of cases where there were clear precedents to guide the court."
Sarge's Notes: Hmmmm, "...typical of cases where there are clear precedents to guide the court...", you don't say? The legal ruling that some human beings could be 'property' (in.re. Slavery) used to be a judical precedent as well, and that didn't make it a correct one either.
In Summary: There were some of you here in Mohicanland who thought that I was 'out of bounds' or 'on the fringe' with my commentary on Judge Sotomayor's appointment to the Supreme Court; but as you can see, this story is gaining more traction as time goes on. In other words, and to borrow the title of Rush Limbaugh's second book, "See, I Told You So!"
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Hmmmm...there is a lot of political jargon in this thread that I will never understand. The reason why my heart breaks to see her in office is because she is pro-abortion. I don't care if she calls herself a Catholic-she is not and never will be a Catholic. Excuse me if I offend anyone cause I don't want to start anything but, no one who is for the murder of the innocents is a true Catholic or deserves to call themselves or be identified as a Catholic. Their views are not following the Pope or the teachings of the church. She is a hypocrite.
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Posted - July 01 2009 : 10:18:29 AM
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| Hon, what's your point? Every human being on this planet is a hypocrite! It's just part of our human condition. |
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Posted - July 01 2009 : 10:35:05 AM
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Amen to that Obi! You said it! I'm just tired of it!
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Kay, I don't know how to do quotes, but I agree 100% with what you said about being Catholic. I'm Catholic and it seems that in politics recently, the Catholics all seem to be pro-choice vs. pro-life!! The few who are pro-life are some other religion. Biden and Kerry both come to mind as pro-choice people who claim to be Catholic.
I've been following the Sotomayor nomination with interest in light of her remarks about her making 'better' decisions considering her ethnic background and gender. I've also heard she has said this on other occasions in the past. The Ricci case was interesting too and I'm glad the Supreme Court overturned it. But it probably won't have any bearing on her getting nominated. That's the sad part...
I'm enjoying reading everyone's opinions.
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| Sometimes I think we ought to just find a way to divide the country, seriously. The lefties can have their own states, and we can have ours. They can have abortions coming out their ears, gun control, all the illegals they can squeeze in, enough taxes to make everyone of them tickled pink, government run health care, criminals voting, schools where it's impossible to flunk, a diploma with no requirements, enough political correctness to stifle everyone, solar powered scooters, Al Gore would be the "Energy Czar"with unlimited authority, the list is endless - no doubt they'd all die blissfully. Now of course, if "one decides to move" into the others region, they can't bring their politics with them. |
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Monadnock Guide noted: Sometimes I think we ought to just find a way to divide the country, seriously...
I agree with your proposition MG, and I would be willing to emigrate to a crimson-red state, but I would need one additional proviso. That being a state-of-the-art border fence (separating 'Red' from 'Blue' state) which would make the Israelis envious, and patrolled/secured by a heavily-armed and highly-motivated Border Patrol service.
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Monadnock Guide finished with: Now of course, if "one decides to move" into the others region, they can't bring their politics with them.
And this would help to prevent the 'Blue-State Infestation' problem, like what currently happens when wealthy liberals from California buy property in the backcountry of a neighboring red state. It starts off harmlessly enough, but then they attract others of their ilk, and the next thing you know, once enough of them are there, they start winning seats on town councils and county commisions and importing policy from the Hell on Earth they left.
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