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SkyWalker
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 Posted - January 06 2003 : 12:53:10 PM
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Message to Loran Walking Bull, Descendant of Rain In The Face: I tried to e-mail you a letter 01.05.03 about Rain In The Face, but it was returned due to an invalid e-mail address. If you are out there, or if anyone knows him or other descendants of Rain In The Face, please contact me.
I`m sending this letter out in the universe, and God bless the words for good connections.
Friendly regards
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joseph wiggs
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 Posted - June 19 2004 : 9:25:15 PM
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Indian perspective:
The Plains Indians were a battle harden, proud group of people who viewed the land they walked upon as free as the sky above them. One could no more sell the land than the sky. The earth provided them with every sustenance they required. The bison was a sacred animal that provided them with food, shelter, and clothing. Suddenly an aggressive group of individuals arrived and made demands, attempted to force them away from their way of life. When pushed, they pushed back. People died as a result. When the Indians died, the response was "Might makes Right." When whites were killed, it was deemed a "Massacre."
Deprived of all that encourages cultural dignity, they became Wards of the State. I have heard many people justify this condition by exclaming that,"progress could not be stopped!" Look what progress has done for us thus far. The battle of the Little Big Horn was their last Hurrah. It was their Last Stand. |
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - June 19 2004 : 10:19:39 PM
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Fuzzy romanticism aside, Indians were killing each other and stealing each other's land long before the white man came along, the most famous theft probably being the Sioux's abduction of the Black Hills from the Crows a few decades before Custer's fall. The Indians --- well, the cocky young men --- were capable of being as violent and aggressive as any bespectacled derby-hatted blue-eyed soft-hand city clerk, and attacks were dubbed massacres on all sides.
Calling the Little Bighorn the Indians' last stand is sweet and cliched, but it's to abuse the term, should words have meaning.
R. Larsen
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alfuso
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Posted - June 20 2004 : 08:32:00 AM
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Tell us something we don't know, Wiggs.
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 20 2004 : 8:39:31 PM
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| Since the first primate used a bone to kill another primate, man has been killing each other. Why do you mention Indians only, as if they had first dibs on this madness. Secondly, this site specifically addressed the "Indians side/view point." |
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - June 21 2004 : 10:22:02 PM
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Rather, why do you say I mention Indians only, when that is untrue, and secondly, why post this stuff on a thread about Rain-in-the-Face?
R. Larsen
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 21 2004 : 10:51:20 PM
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THREAD: From the Indian side:
The migration from the reservations, the camps, the people...Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Wooden Leg..Discuss this era from the American Indian viewpoint:
It is important that we accord the same respect and honor to the Indian leaders as we do our own. When this occurs, we can truly understand the enigma of the Battle of the Little Big Horn. |
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - June 22 2004 : 12:00:13 AM
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Originally posted by joseph wiggs
THREAD: From the Indian side:
The migration from the reservations, the camps, the people...Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Wooden Leg..Discuss this era from the American Indian viewpoint:
Um, okay.... Now why would you post your comments on a thread about Rain-in-the-Face? They were in reply to nothing that had been said.
The board is also not a license to post uncritically claptrap about Indians being "one-with-the-earth and the-land-is-free," etc. seeing as how they fought each other so hard to grab it, with Luddite moanings about progress.
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It is important that we accord the same respect and honor to the Indian leaders as we do our own. When this occurs, we can truly understand the enigma of the Battle of the Little Big Horn.
We respect our leaders? We do? This is America! We don't respect anybody. And your last sentence sounds like just meaningless rhetoric to me, and will stay so, unless you get more specific.
R. Larsen
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wILD I
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Posted - June 22 2004 : 08:43:17 AM
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 22 2004 : 6:39:38 PM
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| You my friend put the "A" in antithesis. I need not be more specific then that. |
Edited by - joseph wiggs on June 22 2004 6:41:16 PM |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 22 2004 : 9:21:41 PM
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Indian Perspective:
Quotes from Chief Sitting Bull(Tatanka Iyotake):
"What white man has ever seen me drunk? Who has ever ever come to me hungry and left me unfed? Who has seen me beat my wives or abuse my children? What law have I broken? Is it wrong for me to love my own? Is it wicked for me because my skin is red? Because I am Sioux? Because I was born where my father lived? Because I would die for my people and my country? God made me an Indian."
How many of us could answer these questions in the positive, I wonder.
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - June 22 2004 : 11:47:25 PM
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Originally posted by wILD I
Is 8619 and DC one and the same person?
Perhaps, if you and Lorenzo are. Suspiciously, both your countries' names start with an "I" ....
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - June 22 2004 : 11:50:57 PM
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Originally posted by joseph wiggs
You my friend put the "A" in antithesis. I need not be more specific then that.
Of course you do, if you want to make sense. How would honoring Indian leaders lead to understanding the "enigma" of the Little Bighorn?
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wILD I
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Posted - June 23 2004 : 05:26:06 AM
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both your countries' names start with an "I" ....
Wrong friend.The name of my country starts with an E.
Cheers
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - June 23 2004 : 10:18:08 AM
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Originally posted by wILD I
both your countries' names start with an "I" ....
Wrong friend.The name of my country starts with an E.
Cheers
Well, at least some are still waving the banner of Eire.
R. Larsen
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wILD I
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Posted - June 23 2004 : 10:29:57 AM
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Well, at least some are still waving the banner of Eire
Well done |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 26 2004 : 7:57:51 PM
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Researchers, particularily the earlier ones, often propose that Indian testimony is without value. For example, the noted author and creater of "The Custer Myth",-W.A. Graham- professed: to be "wary" of an "alien race" he deemed inherently unfathomable to the white man. He further stated that "no two of them tell the same story."
White testimony at the Reno Inquiry was loaded with contradictions also. W.J.Ghent-Varnum, Reno, and the Little Big Horn:"For an instance, 15 witnesses were asked to state the distance from the Burning Teepee to Reno's first ford. Thirteen different answers were given, ranging from threequarters of a mile(Herendeen and Culbertson) to 41/2 miles" (Benteen) and "about five miles" (Hare).
It seems to me that the white testimony was no better or worst than their warrior counterparts. |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 29 2004 : 8:35:39 PM
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Indian Perspective:
After the battle, Sitting Bull visited the battlefield, where, according to a Lakota Sioux tradition, the ghost of George Armstrong Custer appeared to him, and spoke the following words:
The White man would cover the earth and neither you nor I nor the Great Spirit Himself can stop the infiltration and bloodshed that will follow.
We are but one act in the play and we have done as we were told.
In less than fifteen years we will both be on the same side.
(to be continued)
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - June 30 2004 : 05:06:39 AM
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Originally posted by joseph wiggs
Indian Perspective:
We are but one act in the play and we have done as we were told.
Oh yeah, that's definitely coming from an authentic Indian perspective. Wait until they serve free popcorn at the intermission.
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - June 30 2004 : 7:54:12 PM
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Within fifteen years a treacherous act by a White man will take place against you.
You will have no foreknowledge of it and no medicine you could make would prevent it.
The White man sees only white and the day will come when he will try to extinguish all men who are not white from the face of the earth. |
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - July 02 2004 : 10:38:44 PM
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Know in your heart that I speak truth, for you and I were once brothers and will be brothers again.
Be relieved of your burden, for man is an angry wolf stalking and tracking down his prey from the beginning of time to the ends of time but you and I are more than men as men known men. |
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - July 03 2004 : 10:00:47 AM
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What is your source for this schmaltz?
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - July 03 2004 : 9:28:15 PM
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - July 04 2004 : 12:09:32 PM
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Originally posted by joseph wiggs
Seek and ye shall find
Not an answer, Wiggs.
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joseph wiggs
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Posted - July 04 2004 : 3:09:10 PM
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Go now and be with your people.
They need you more than before.
I will be with you many times when you light your pipe at night and I will be with you in your final hour as you are here with me now. |
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Anonymous Poster8169
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Posted - July 04 2004 : 5:42:31 PM
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Did you or did you not make all this up?
Falsifying an "Indian perspective" seems especially low to me, but it would delight me to find that you're not the one who actually dished all this crap out in the first place.
R. Larsen
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